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	<title>Comments on: Autism and the Uncanny Valley</title>
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	<description>Neurodiversity: autism and Asperger considered in light of social and evolutionary changes; &#34;autistic&#34; explored as a legitimate way of being in the world.</description>
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		<title>By: Jay DeFehr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay DeFehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 06:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,
You&#039;re right, I misinterpreted your position. After reading some of your linked articles, I have a better understanding of your perspective, and of the issues I find so fascinating. This site is a welcome find, and I look forward to reading more of the well thought, and well written articles here. 

I enjoyed the Five Spectrums article very much. I&#039;ve heard it said autistics struggle with nuance, and can miss gestures and expressions obvious to the rest of us. If that&#039;s true, that difficulty does not seem to extend to larger phenomena. I wish more people would appreciate the subtle nuances and shades of distinction that make up the spectrums we all occupy and navigate. 

I had a friend in high school I suspect occupied some part of the autistic spectrum. At school he would never respond to my greetings, or participate in conversation, and always looked nervous, at best, and often terrified. Once at home, sometimes minutes after seeing him in person, he would call me, and we would speak, calmly, comfortably, and at length. When I asked him about his strange behavior he would claim he didn&#039;t notice anything strange in his behavior. We still communicate, now by email, which he prefers even to telephone calls. He&#039;s incredibly articulate, and a wonderful writer of short stories, and has blossomed in the internet age. I am so grateful for the opportunity the internet provides to meet and communicate with people who might otherwise be inaccessible to me. Your thoughts on the uncanny valley are the most interesting I&#039;ve found, and I look forward to reading more of your insights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,<br />
You&#8217;re right, I misinterpreted your position. After reading some of your linked articles, I have a better understanding of your perspective, and of the issues I find so fascinating. This site is a welcome find, and I look forward to reading more of the well thought, and well written articles here. </p>
<p>I enjoyed the Five Spectrums article very much. I&#8217;ve heard it said autistics struggle with nuance, and can miss gestures and expressions obvious to the rest of us. If that&#8217;s true, that difficulty does not seem to extend to larger phenomena. I wish more people would appreciate the subtle nuances and shades of distinction that make up the spectrums we all occupy and navigate. </p>
<p>I had a friend in high school I suspect occupied some part of the autistic spectrum. At school he would never respond to my greetings, or participate in conversation, and always looked nervous, at best, and often terrified. Once at home, sometimes minutes after seeing him in person, he would call me, and we would speak, calmly, comfortably, and at length. When I asked him about his strange behavior he would claim he didn&#8217;t notice anything strange in his behavior. We still communicate, now by email, which he prefers even to telephone calls. He&#8217;s incredibly articulate, and a wonderful writer of short stories, and has blossomed in the internet age. I am so grateful for the opportunity the internet provides to meet and communicate with people who might otherwise be inaccessible to me. Your thoughts on the uncanny valley are the most interesting I&#8217;ve found, and I look forward to reading more of your insights.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Stairwalt</title>
		<link>http://www.shiftjournal.com/2010/04/30/autism-and-the-uncanny-valley/comment-page-1/#comment-8375</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Stairwalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 04:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, I&#039;d invite you to reconsider the notion that I imply the autistic population is &quot;trapped in the uncanny valley.&quot; In the related essay linked above I propose that autistics are far more mobile than the general population when it comes to negotiating the valley walls (Mountain Goats of the Uncanny Valley). See also my Notes On Five Spectrums (linked above as well), which ends with the suggestion that autism flows up and out of the uncanny valley to nourish and enliven the flatlander gene and meme pools. If there&#039;s a trap anywhere, I&#039;d say it&#039;s up on the ridgetops -- though maybe that&#039;s what you were getting at.

Your perspective at any rate is refreshing; one reference point of course would be the Grandin/Sacks line about being &quot;an anthropologist on Mars.&quot; I think it&#039;s only been with the advent of the internet that autistics have begun to conceive of ourselves as occupying the territory of a culture or subculture. I don&#039;t know that the work of mapping out an uncanny valley within that territory has properly begun -- but you&#039;re right that it&#039;s instructive to flip the valences and look at it from both perspectives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, I&#8217;d invite you to reconsider the notion that I imply the autistic population is &#8220;trapped in the uncanny valley.&#8221; In the related essay linked above I propose that autistics are far more mobile than the general population when it comes to negotiating the valley walls (Mountain Goats of the Uncanny Valley). See also my Notes On Five Spectrums (linked above as well), which ends with the suggestion that autism flows up and out of the uncanny valley to nourish and enliven the flatlander gene and meme pools. If there&#8217;s a trap anywhere, I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s up on the ridgetops &#8212; though maybe that&#8217;s what you were getting at.</p>
<p>Your perspective at any rate is refreshing; one reference point of course would be the Grandin/Sacks line about being &#8220;an anthropologist on Mars.&#8221; I think it&#8217;s only been with the advent of the internet that autistics have begun to conceive of ourselves as occupying the territory of a culture or subculture. I don&#8217;t know that the work of mapping out an uncanny valley within that territory has properly begun &#8212; but you&#8217;re right that it&#8217;s instructive to flip the valences and look at it from both perspectives.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay DeFehr</title>
		<link>http://www.shiftjournal.com/2010/04/30/autism-and-the-uncanny-valley/comment-page-1/#comment-8374</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay DeFehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 03:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this article as the result of a google search- uncanny autism- because I am curious about the connection, if any. I was surprised to read the author&#039;s implication that it is the autistic population that might be trapped in the uncanny valley, for we neurotypicals. I expected to find an article about the way autistics see the rest of us as not quite human enough, or different enough from themselves to be somewhat revolting, and theories about how their antisocial characteristics might be related to the uncanny valley response. It didn&#039;t immediately occur to me that autistics might illicit an uncanny valley response from us. It seems strangeness too, is in the eye of the beholder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this article as the result of a google search- uncanny autism- because I am curious about the connection, if any. I was surprised to read the author&#8217;s implication that it is the autistic population that might be trapped in the uncanny valley, for we neurotypicals. I expected to find an article about the way autistics see the rest of us as not quite human enough, or different enough from themselves to be somewhat revolting, and theories about how their antisocial characteristics might be related to the uncanny valley response. It didn&#8217;t immediately occur to me that autistics might illicit an uncanny valley response from us. It seems strangeness too, is in the eye of the beholder.</p>
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