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	<description>Neurodiversity is impacting society. Consider that autism and Aspergers are evolutionary conditions with social repercussions</description>
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		<title>Comment on Theory of Mind and Self by Laurentius Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurentius Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And jumping back into the arena on the nebulous chance that I do actually exist.

ABFH Gernsbacher is not the only fish in the pond when it comes to confounding the earlier studies into ToM from the linguistic viewpoint, there are studies that have tried to eliminate any confusion there and the further from a task requiring specific levels of understanding in instruction, the more equivocal the results get.

As for ToM we all know one of the great progenitors of the Thery, SBC who took the notion from Premack and Woodruffs study of Chimpanzees in the first place, has moved on in search of another great oversimplification of autism.

He has moved on but his bloody book still finds reprints and new editions. Just as much as Happes repudiatiated study of autitistic autobiography is still in print in the latest edition of Friths book which apart from the translation of Asperger&#039;s original paper is well out of date now.

That&#039;s the problem, the cutting edge moves on but for the more scientifically inclined general reader, or beginner into a course of study on autism, the old stuff is still out there perpetuating a particular meme, based on a shallow understanding of what empathy is or might be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And jumping back into the arena on the nebulous chance that I do actually exist.</p>
<p>ABFH Gernsbacher is not the only fish in the pond when it comes to confounding the earlier studies into ToM from the linguistic viewpoint, there are studies that have tried to eliminate any confusion there and the further from a task requiring specific levels of understanding in instruction, the more equivocal the results get.</p>
<p>As for ToM we all know one of the great progenitors of the Thery, SBC who took the notion from Premack and Woodruffs study of Chimpanzees in the first place, has moved on in search of another great oversimplification of autism.</p>
<p>He has moved on but his bloody book still finds reprints and new editions. Just as much as Happes repudiatiated study of autitistic autobiography is still in print in the latest edition of Friths book which apart from the translation of Asperger&#8217;s original paper is well out of date now.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the problem, the cutting edge moves on but for the more scientifically inclined general reader, or beginner into a course of study on autism, the old stuff is still out there perpetuating a particular meme, based on a shallow understanding of what empathy is or might be.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theory of Mind and Self by Laurentius Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurentius Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well for starters I do consider Fitzgerald to be a bit of a plonker and a hack who would diagnose Schroedingers cat if you gave him half a chance (perhaps he already has)

I have long had this contention with thery of mind, in that all it is is a trope, a literary fiction, a philosophic position and no real thing in itsef at all. It&#039;s no more than a thery of unicorns, because the whole notion of mind is in itself up for grabs.

Mind is essentially in itself a construct that allows the manipulation of certain kinds of data for social interaction, but can&#039;t necessarily be said to exist as any kind of entity independant of the brain and body, and consciousness is no less elusive as a concept either, it may be nothing more than the momentary shift in attention between a series of motoric funtions, which begs the question whether there can even be such a notion that is described as experience.

That very much seems to be the position of a lot of cutting edge neuroscientists anyway, at least those who understand philosophy, rather than the more down to earth ones who just write no more than scientific journalism.

At a mundane level however we do have to come down from the high flown philosophy to adopt a pragmatism, fictive though a lot of it may be.

Just as Dr Johnson metaphorically kicks his toe against hard matter that is not at all what it appears to be at a higher level of resolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well for starters I do consider Fitzgerald to be a bit of a plonker and a hack who would diagnose Schroedingers cat if you gave him half a chance (perhaps he already has)</p>
<p>I have long had this contention with thery of mind, in that all it is is a trope, a literary fiction, a philosophic position and no real thing in itsef at all. It&#8217;s no more than a thery of unicorns, because the whole notion of mind is in itself up for grabs.</p>
<p>Mind is essentially in itself a construct that allows the manipulation of certain kinds of data for social interaction, but can&#8217;t necessarily be said to exist as any kind of entity independant of the brain and body, and consciousness is no less elusive as a concept either, it may be nothing more than the momentary shift in attention between a series of motoric funtions, which begs the question whether there can even be such a notion that is described as experience.</p>
<p>That very much seems to be the position of a lot of cutting edge neuroscientists anyway, at least those who understand philosophy, rather than the more down to earth ones who just write no more than scientific journalism.</p>
<p>At a mundane level however we do have to come down from the high flown philosophy to adopt a pragmatism, fictive though a lot of it may be.</p>
<p>Just as Dr Johnson metaphorically kicks his toe against hard matter that is not at all what it appears to be at a higher level of resolution.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theory of Mind and Self by Andrew Lehman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Lehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abfh, I&#039;m not familiar with the study. Sounds interesting. Language impairment being a major confounding factor makes perfect sense. Still, we&#039;re not talking about autism as an impairment or deficit but a condition surrounded by an inappropriate environment. I wouldn&#039;t be looking for structural deficits in the brain, but what Geschwin and Galaburda called anomalous dominance or two hemispheres the same (large) size.

In other words, theory of mind may be partly a result of a pruned right hemisphere, a condition, the current common default condition, that also results in language facility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abfh, I&#8217;m not familiar with the study. Sounds interesting. Language impairment being a major confounding factor makes perfect sense. Still, we&#8217;re not talking about autism as an impairment or deficit but a condition surrounded by an inappropriate environment. I wouldn&#8217;t be looking for structural deficits in the brain, but what Geschwin and Galaburda called anomalous dominance or two hemispheres the same (large) size.</p>
<p>In other words, theory of mind may be partly a result of a pruned right hemisphere, a condition, the current common default condition, that also results in language facility.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theory of Mind and Self by abfh</title>
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		<dc:creator>abfh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, have you read Dr. Morton Ann Gernsbacher&#039;s paper on theory of mind and autism?

http://psych.wisc.edu/lang/pdf/Gernsbacher_autistic_modules.pdf

She points out that language impairment is a major confounding factor in theory of mind studies, thus rendering any conclusions about lack of theory of mind highly questionable, and that brain imaging studies have not shown any structural deficits in autistic brains with regard to theory of mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, have you read Dr. Morton Ann Gernsbacher&#8217;s paper on theory of mind and autism?</p>
<p><a href="http://psych.wisc.edu/lang/pdf/Gernsbacher_autistic_modules.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://psych.wisc.edu/lang/pdf/Gernsbacher_autistic_modules.pdf</a></p>
<p>She points out that language impairment is a major confounding factor in theory of mind studies, thus rendering any conclusions about lack of theory of mind highly questionable, and that brain imaging studies have not shown any structural deficits in autistic brains with regard to theory of mind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ++ungood by KWombles</title>
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		<dc:creator>KWombles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much to think about and consider here, from both Mark and LR. 

I&#039;ve been saying for quite awhile as long as autism is diagnosed on behaviors alone, and the clinicians are subjectively judging it, with bias playing a role, that we&#039;re a far cry from where we should be. Reliable and accurate brain models are where it should head, if we have to have a diagnosis. We either recast this as personality differences (which do appear to be a function of neurology) and so remove it from a medical and psychiatric model, or we move it entirely to a medical (neurological) model. 

However, I don&#039;t think that for most people on the spectrum it belongs as a medical model. And for those it would, it is a combination of factors, of neurology, creating the severe disability and not autism alone. Never mind you&#039;ll never convince diehards of this, those who would take all the symptoms their severely disabled child has and call it autism or those who would conceive of their children as vaccine-damaged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much to think about and consider here, from both Mark and LR. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been saying for quite awhile as long as autism is diagnosed on behaviors alone, and the clinicians are subjectively judging it, with bias playing a role, that we&#8217;re a far cry from where we should be. Reliable and accurate brain models are where it should head, if we have to have a diagnosis. We either recast this as personality differences (which do appear to be a function of neurology) and so remove it from a medical and psychiatric model, or we move it entirely to a medical (neurological) model. </p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t think that for most people on the spectrum it belongs as a medical model. And for those it would, it is a combination of factors, of neurology, creating the severe disability and not autism alone. Never mind you&#8217;ll never convince diehards of this, those who would take all the symptoms their severely disabled child has and call it autism or those who would conceive of their children as vaccine-damaged.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ++ungood by Laurentius Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurentius Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about my landscape model then.

The landscape is a 3 dimensional terrain with peaks and valleys, rivers etc.. which one can inhabit or move around in the fourth dimension.

It&#039;s natural boundaries are geographical  but the labling is political, in that the landscape is arbitrarily divided into countries that bear no great relationship with the actual physical terrain.

For example I could be an autistic flatlander who lives close to dyslexic flatlanders but on the other side of the river that divides the country into two.

Going down river I might find that the border swerves to carve out another community of tourettic flatlanders who live on both sides of the river.

I could move into the mountains as I grow older, or move back to the desert, or the forests or whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about my landscape model then.</p>
<p>The landscape is a 3 dimensional terrain with peaks and valleys, rivers etc.. which one can inhabit or move around in the fourth dimension.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s natural boundaries are geographical  but the labling is political, in that the landscape is arbitrarily divided into countries that bear no great relationship with the actual physical terrain.</p>
<p>For example I could be an autistic flatlander who lives close to dyslexic flatlanders but on the other side of the river that divides the country into two.</p>
<p>Going down river I might find that the border swerves to carve out another community of tourettic flatlanders who live on both sides of the river.</p>
<p>I could move into the mountains as I grow older, or move back to the desert, or the forests or whatever.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Diversity and Inclusion: How Society Fails Us All, How We Fail Ourselves by Clay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, we have a winner! That is a well-stated thesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, we have a winner! That is a well-stated thesis.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Diversity and Inclusion: How Society Fails Us All, How We Fail Ourselves by serenity</title>
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		<dc:creator>serenity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it.  Beautifully written.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Cost Accounting by KWombles</title>
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		<dc:creator>KWombles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely, society does need to change and will always need light-shiners and agitators working to make it better and brighter.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Cost Accounting by Mark Stairwalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Stairwalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks K -- and no, you&#039;re right, that journey is just one more way the situation of the neurodiverse blurs into and is not separate from that of everyone else. There are ways too in which autistics can be particularly suited to survive the isolation brought about by the necessity of wearing a mask, and ways also in which we are particularly lacking in the tools needed to get out from behind it. The text-only experience afforded by the internet does go a long way to provide new tools for that though.

The larger issue isn&#039;t so much any one reason people may be forced behind a mask, but rather *that* anyone would be *forced* there in the first place -- rather than just *make use* of masks in the everyday utilitarian way that makes society &quot;work.&quot; The larger struggle then is to make all instances (not just in the case of autistics) of this sort of involuntary, enforced mask-wearing visible, along with the means and source of that enforcement. Sunshine being the best disinfectant and all that. A tall order, and I&#039;ve not yet had breakfast. But I think that&#039;s pretty much the agenda, or should be. If society *can&#039;t* &quot;work&quot; under that much sunshine, then it&#039;s society that needs to change, not us. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks K &#8212; and no, you&#8217;re right, that journey is just one more way the situation of the neurodiverse blurs into and is not separate from that of everyone else. There are ways too in which autistics can be particularly suited to survive the isolation brought about by the necessity of wearing a mask, and ways also in which we are particularly lacking in the tools needed to get out from behind it. The text-only experience afforded by the internet does go a long way to provide new tools for that though.</p>
<p>The larger issue isn&#8217;t so much any one reason people may be forced behind a mask, but rather *that* anyone would be *forced* there in the first place &#8212; rather than just *make use* of masks in the everyday utilitarian way that makes society &#8220;work.&#8221; The larger struggle then is to make all instances (not just in the case of autistics) of this sort of involuntary, enforced mask-wearing visible, along with the means and source of that enforcement. Sunshine being the best disinfectant and all that. A tall order, and I&#8217;ve not yet had breakfast. But I think that&#8217;s pretty much the agenda, or should be. If society *can&#8217;t* &#8220;work&#8221; under that much sunshine, then it&#8217;s society that needs to change, not us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cost Accounting by KWombles</title>
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		<dc:creator>KWombles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for such an interesting article (and it was lovely to see Clay&#039;s writing and musings spotlighted). The journey you describe, Mark, isn&#039;t unique to those on the autism spectrum or to the neurodiverse in general, though. Society proscribes people being themselves and insists on masks for all the players. We have roles we must play, and when we refuse to play that role, we are condemned by our cohort.

I don&#039;t dismiss the difficulty in wearing that mask, in putting it on each day and navigating the social waters many of us have no choice but to swim in. Some of us do this with far greater ease, but with no less a soul-cost.

And others find a way to be true to who they are and a place where they fit or are free not to fit. The internet is a great equalizer in allowing us to be fully ourselves; we may face flak, still, but we at least are able to find others who are like-minded and are able to build a network of friends, a community of our own (and I say this as someone who is an uber-nerd/geek; it&#039;s only been here, on the internet, and with my family, where I&#039;ve been free to me, to not keep parts hidden).

These masks are things my two youngest on the spectrum can be taught about, will undertand the rudiments behind and will be cognizant of how different they are from the neurotypical ideal. Of course, they are also taught that the NT ideal is hogwash and they should be aware of how to navigate the world successfully while still being true to who they are. My bright boy has no conception of, nor basis to understand, the wearing of social masks, and no awareness of not fitting into the NT world, and because he does navigate the NT world, but is instead in settings with others with disabilities, he has not faced the rejection or scorn he most likely would have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for such an interesting article (and it was lovely to see Clay&#8217;s writing and musings spotlighted). The journey you describe, Mark, isn&#8217;t unique to those on the autism spectrum or to the neurodiverse in general, though. Society proscribes people being themselves and insists on masks for all the players. We have roles we must play, and when we refuse to play that role, we are condemned by our cohort.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t dismiss the difficulty in wearing that mask, in putting it on each day and navigating the social waters many of us have no choice but to swim in. Some of us do this with far greater ease, but with no less a soul-cost.</p>
<p>And others find a way to be true to who they are and a place where they fit or are free not to fit. The internet is a great equalizer in allowing us to be fully ourselves; we may face flak, still, but we at least are able to find others who are like-minded and are able to build a network of friends, a community of our own (and I say this as someone who is an uber-nerd/geek; it&#8217;s only been here, on the internet, and with my family, where I&#8217;ve been free to me, to not keep parts hidden).</p>
<p>These masks are things my two youngest on the spectrum can be taught about, will undertand the rudiments behind and will be cognizant of how different they are from the neurotypical ideal. Of course, they are also taught that the NT ideal is hogwash and they should be aware of how to navigate the world successfully while still being true to who they are. My bright boy has no conception of, nor basis to understand, the wearing of social masks, and no awareness of not fitting into the NT world, and because he does navigate the NT world, but is instead in settings with others with disabilities, he has not faced the rejection or scorn he most likely would have.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cost Accounting by Mark Stairwalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Stairwalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Clay, great points. It&#039;s funny, I was reaching for a &quot;self-medication&quot; angle, but couldn&#039;t get there because there was no substance involved. Before I drove away tho, I used to &quot;get there&quot; with long, solo camping trips instead. 

About the facade, that&#039;s a long-running observation and experience of mine as well. Few--sometimes starting with autistic people themselves--are willing or able to consider what a complete or misleading disguise an autistic&#039;s working facade can be. It gets all the more complicated when people do not wish to let go of the you they know -- especially when &quot;you&quot; may have been a much more expedient, tractable, or reassuring presence while in and near that state of &quot;barely able to think.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Clay, great points. It&#8217;s funny, I was reaching for a &#8220;self-medication&#8221; angle, but couldn&#8217;t get there because there was no substance involved. Before I drove away tho, I used to &#8220;get there&#8221; with long, solo camping trips instead. </p>
<p>About the facade, that&#8217;s a long-running observation and experience of mine as well. Few&#8211;sometimes starting with autistic people themselves&#8211;are willing or able to consider what a complete or misleading disguise an autistic&#8217;s working facade can be. It gets all the more complicated when people do not wish to let go of the you they know &#8212; especially when &#8220;you&#8221; may have been a much more expedient, tractable, or reassuring presence while in and near that state of &#8220;barely able to think.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cost Accounting by Clay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. Good article, good point about the cost of pretending to be normal. Gives me an idea for another article, something about the pretense causing one to realize that nobody loves them for who they are, because nobody &lt;b&gt;knows them&lt;/b&gt; as they really are. All you&#039;ve put out is a facade, but you&#039;re the only one who knows that. I was glad to lay down that facade, after I was Dxd.


&lt;i&gt;&quot;given that autism is diagnosed solely on the basis of observed behavior,&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s kinda like when Larry Arnold often quotes the &quot;If a tree falls in a forest, but there&#039;s nobody around to hear it&quot;, currently there&#039;s usually nobody around to observe any &quot;behaviors&quot; on my part. There are no &quot;meltdowns&quot; no misunderstandings, no &lt;i&gt;sturm und drang&lt;/i&gt;, no tribble atall, yet here I sit, trying to convince my cat that the food he left from breakfast is still good, and he should eat it before I feed him again. I wonder what I&#039;d be doing now if I were born NT? ;-)

I like the &quot;swan syndrome&quot; image, but I&#039;m thinking on another one, though I don&#039;t know what to call it. A majority of the time, I was barely able to think. I operated on a very superficial level, and so thought on a very superficial level. It was only special moments that &quot;brought me to myself&quot; that I was able to consider any real meanings, and enjoy being myself. I guess that&#039;s why I was attracted to pot so much. It was the only way I could get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. Good article, good point about the cost of pretending to be normal. Gives me an idea for another article, something about the pretense causing one to realize that nobody loves them for who they are, because nobody <b>knows them</b> as they really are. All you&#8217;ve put out is a facade, but you&#8217;re the only one who knows that. I was glad to lay down that facade, after I was Dxd.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;given that autism is diagnosed solely on the basis of observed behavior,&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s kinda like when Larry Arnold often quotes the &#8220;If a tree falls in a forest, but there&#8217;s nobody around to hear it&#8221;, currently there&#8217;s usually nobody around to observe any &#8220;behaviors&#8221; on my part. There are no &#8220;meltdowns&#8221; no misunderstandings, no <i>sturm und drang</i>, no tribble atall, yet here I sit, trying to convince my cat that the food he left from breakfast is still good, and he should eat it before I feed him again. I wonder what I&#8217;d be doing now if I were born NT? <img src='http://www.shiftjournal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I like the &#8220;swan syndrome&#8221; image, but I&#8217;m thinking on another one, though I don&#8217;t know what to call it. A majority of the time, I was barely able to think. I operated on a very superficial level, and so thought on a very superficial level. It was only special moments that &#8220;brought me to myself&#8221; that I was able to consider any real meanings, and enjoy being myself. I guess that&#8217;s why I was attracted to pot so much. It was the only way I could get there.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Is Autism A Genetic Flaw?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this &quot;family reunion&quot; and hope that it happens again in the future.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Speed of Information by Andrew Lehman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Lehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not familiar with Peek. Interesting. I wonder if his other brain bridges were larger....</description>
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		<title>Comment on Speed of Information by abfh</title>
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		<dc:creator>abfh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you familiar with Kim Peek, the savant on whom the Rain Man character was based?  He was born without a corpus callosum and, although not technically autistic, had characteristics similar to autism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you familiar with Kim Peek, the savant on whom the Rain Man character was based?  He was born without a corpus callosum and, although not technically autistic, had characteristics similar to autism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Speed of Information by Clay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, reading this certainly is an education. I have thought about some of these things before, but with far less information to consider. This provides more information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, reading this certainly is an education. I have thought about some of these things before, but with far less information to consider. This provides more information.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time for this Elephant to Leave this Circus by jameysmom</title>
		<link>http://www.shiftjournal.com/2009/11/13/time-for-this-elephant-to-leave-this-circus/comment-page-1/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>jameysmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neurodiversity? I don’t see it in the Ari Ne’eman crowd. At least not until they openly acknowledge people like my son and stop pretending autistic persons like him, don&#039;t exist. My videos on you tube of my severely autistic son who suffers from self injurious behaviors have been obsessively attacked by some in the neurodiversity movement. Like children having a tantrum, they repeatedly give thumbs down to anyone who applauds me for showing real sides of real severe autism. This is very telling. This shows these alleged advocates for autism are probably not autistic. Consider Rain Man, could U imagine this sweet guy (based on real life person) trolling you tube and attacking a mother like me who has been through hell trying to help my son? It wouldn’t even occur to him, or even Temple Grandin, who has severe Aspergers, to act like or do this. But so called “auties” and “aspies” who hate my guts now, are on a rampage to villify me and downplay my son’s condition because it threatens to expose their narrow driven movement that FAILS or willfully ignores autistic peole like my darling son. Please go to you tube and see the video “autism epidemic out of control.” Many of my friends and family members are helping me spread word about this because it is really scary that such hate, intolerance and outright mean spirited attacks would come against me and my son or anyone else who is dealing with serious issues like self injury. We just want to be included. Why such prejudice against us from the neodiversity crowd? Why such hate? Mockery? It is simply unreal that these neurodiversity fanatics are even posting things on “wrong planet” (a good site) like “the mother must feel guilty” or she’s got munchasen by proxy, or “she’s whacked.” This is often funny to me, actually, as I gather their comments and really look at the kind of spirit they have. It is not one of helping people like my son. It is not empathetic. Nor considerate. Nor of love. They are driven by a spirit of self-preservation. They have an agenda. They’ve fooled a lot of people. And cases like my son are driving them crazy. So, they want to shred us. Shut me up. It won’t work. In fact, it will work against them. Some, however, in the neurodiversity movement are really kind, honest and open minded people who have Aspergers and actually acknowledge my son’s severe autism and support us, and for that I am grateful. I wish they could all be so honest and kind. I have a close relative with Aspergers and he in no way would ever downplay my son’s autism or attack it because it made him look bad. Is it too much to ask that my son&#039;s severe autism self injury and seizure challenges are discussed in neurodiversity circles? Why such prejudice against his type of autism? Why downplay it as it he isn&#039;t part of neurodiversity? I think my  son&#039;s case baffles and infuriates some neurodiversity folks because when you see him slamming his fists into his head, clearly, this isn&#039;t an autistic person you&#039;d say &quot;to just accept as he is.&quot; Well, the truth is, I accept my son&#039;s autism. But that doesn&#039;t remove the fact that his self injurious behaviors, which are deeply rooted in the autism,  can be ignored or &#039;celebrated&#039;. This is serious stuff and for a neurodiversity movement to willfully ignore this autsitic population is unethical and shows extreme prejudice. Severe to profound autism is real and must be acknowledged if you claim to really care about autism advocacy. I&#039;m not the type of mom who blames vaccines, by the way. I&#039;m probably baffling to the neurodiversity movement because I share some of their beliefs, but I also am very vocal about how serious self injury is within the more severe sides of autism. They just can&#039;t figure me out. So, sadly, some attack me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neurodiversity? I don’t see it in the Ari Ne’eman crowd. At least not until they openly acknowledge people like my son and stop pretending autistic persons like him, don&#8217;t exist. My videos on you tube of my severely autistic son who suffers from self injurious behaviors have been obsessively attacked by some in the neurodiversity movement. Like children having a tantrum, they repeatedly give thumbs down to anyone who applauds me for showing real sides of real severe autism. This is very telling. This shows these alleged advocates for autism are probably not autistic. Consider Rain Man, could U imagine this sweet guy (based on real life person) trolling you tube and attacking a mother like me who has been through hell trying to help my son? It wouldn’t even occur to him, or even Temple Grandin, who has severe Aspergers, to act like or do this. But so called “auties” and “aspies” who hate my guts now, are on a rampage to villify me and downplay my son’s condition because it threatens to expose their narrow driven movement that FAILS or willfully ignores autistic peole like my darling son. Please go to you tube and see the video “autism epidemic out of control.” Many of my friends and family members are helping me spread word about this because it is really scary that such hate, intolerance and outright mean spirited attacks would come against me and my son or anyone else who is dealing with serious issues like self injury. We just want to be included. Why such prejudice against us from the neodiversity crowd? Why such hate? Mockery? It is simply unreal that these neurodiversity fanatics are even posting things on “wrong planet” (a good site) like “the mother must feel guilty” or she’s got munchasen by proxy, or “she’s whacked.” This is often funny to me, actually, as I gather their comments and really look at the kind of spirit they have. It is not one of helping people like my son. It is not empathetic. Nor considerate. Nor of love. They are driven by a spirit of self-preservation. They have an agenda. They’ve fooled a lot of people. And cases like my son are driving them crazy. So, they want to shred us. Shut me up. It won’t work. In fact, it will work against them. Some, however, in the neurodiversity movement are really kind, honest and open minded people who have Aspergers and actually acknowledge my son’s severe autism and support us, and for that I am grateful. I wish they could all be so honest and kind. I have a close relative with Aspergers and he in no way would ever downplay my son’s autism or attack it because it made him look bad. Is it too much to ask that my son&#8217;s severe autism self injury and seizure challenges are discussed in neurodiversity circles? Why such prejudice against his type of autism? Why downplay it as it he isn&#8217;t part of neurodiversity? I think my  son&#8217;s case baffles and infuriates some neurodiversity folks because when you see him slamming his fists into his head, clearly, this isn&#8217;t an autistic person you&#8217;d say &#8220;to just accept as he is.&#8221; Well, the truth is, I accept my son&#8217;s autism. But that doesn&#8217;t remove the fact that his self injurious behaviors, which are deeply rooted in the autism,  can be ignored or &#8216;celebrated&#8217;. This is serious stuff and for a neurodiversity movement to willfully ignore this autsitic population is unethical and shows extreme prejudice. Severe to profound autism is real and must be acknowledged if you claim to really care about autism advocacy. I&#8217;m not the type of mom who blames vaccines, by the way. I&#8217;m probably baffling to the neurodiversity movement because I share some of their beliefs, but I also am very vocal about how serious self injury is within the more severe sides of autism. They just can&#8217;t figure me out. So, sadly, some attack me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Covert Ops in Autistic Self-Advocacy by Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.shiftjournal.com/2010/02/19/covert-ops-in-autistic-self-advocacy/comment-page-1/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;then where are all these supposed autistics?&lt;/i&gt;

Speaking for myself only, I was just lost for my first 53 years, before diagnosis. Turns out that I&#039;m as introverted and Aspie as they come. I suspect there are &lt;b&gt;many&lt;/b&gt; in the same situation I was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>then where are all these supposed autistics?</i></p>
<p>Speaking for myself only, I was just lost for my first 53 years, before diagnosis. Turns out that I&#8217;m as introverted and Aspie as they come. I suspect there are <b>many</b> in the same situation I was.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Covert Ops in Autistic Self-Advocacy by Andrew Lehman</title>
		<link>http://www.shiftjournal.com/2010/02/19/covert-ops-in-autistic-self-advocacy/comment-page-1/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Lehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Powerful piece adroitly expressed. My second Digg ever. Thank you!</description>
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